kittens & hand biting

[Neural]

The easiest question to ask is: Why do they do it at all?

The more complicated way:
James and Penny, like many other cats we've had, have this tendency to see the hands (and feet) as a playmate/opponent to be tussled with.
Over the years, with the cats we've had, I have allowed the cats to do that with me, so long as they did not draw blood when biting. I've not had any major leaks from scratching, but I've had some scratches from an overzealous kitty. Cindel was able, at the same time, to teach the cats that her hands were off limits.

With James and Penny, we have decided that we should try and just keep the whole thing off limits (per suggestions from some websites that talk about starting proper behavior early with kittens).

The problems we are running into is that 1) the water gun works *too* well for James. I mean, he is terrified of it. He's not associated the water with the spray bottle yet, but when he's hit with the water, he panics, and generally chooses to avoid doing *anything* that he was doing at the time. Not just the "bad" thing, but everything. It took us a few hours to get him comfortable with being on the bed again after one shot from the water when he was attacking Cindels foot (which was under the blankets).

That brings up the second question. "Bed Bugs" as we like to call them. Meaning, when you have your feet/hands under the blankets, and the cats attack because they see an unknown moving around under the covers.
How do you deal with that sort of thing, and is it something that can be trained out, or is it okay to even encourage that as an alternative?

Any info would be appreciated. thanks.

[candes]

Oh this one is easy. The kitties are playing. They aren't trying to hurt you. They don't realize that humans can get hurt by their claws and teeth. Just let the kitty know that they hurt you. (But no anger, just "hurt".) Be very dramatic about your pain. Often the sad kitty will try to lick your boo boo, and make it better.

Oh and BTW, I have never used water in training. It makes them nervous. Why punish them for natural behavior? Instead try to mold their behaviors gently. Last I checked, we don't spray our human children with water. LOL.... Most important, how would they react if you did?

As far as "bed bugs", I allow this to some extent. Since it is just harmless play. Kitties do learn that thick blankies make a difference. But do share any pain you experience. Cats are very smart. They will learn their limits. And will not dole out anything that will hurt you.

[Jasper&Bailey]

Hiya, my boys are just over a year now and as I didn't mind this behaviour, infact I enjoyed it I never tried to correct it and it wasnt until reading your post that I realised it had stopped along time ago.
So I suppose my answer is just to wait. In the mean-time you could just stop playing with them as soon as it escalates, as for the duvet thing, I loved that stage.

I havent had to physically correct any behaviour, theyve got two scratch posts and a mat down stairs and one post and a mat upstairs and when they on occasion did tretch up to the leather sofa, I clicked my fingers near to their face, now if they do anything I dont like e.g when their play fighting gets too rough with each other I can click my fingers from the otherside of thr room. Just an idea, of course theyre all completely different.

[Cooniemum]

I agree - I make a loud sound when they hurt me and move myself away and I allow them the bed bug behaviour as they do grow out of it...until then it's just harmless fun.

I don't do the water spray either because they love playing with water and I don't want them to see it as a bad thing.

[Heather2mc]

I havnt stopped either behaviours either. I do say "claws" as a word if they are being a bit rough and my cats have always let go when I say it. I even say it if they are biting a bit hard but have hardly ever had to use it. Zack is still learning but doesnt seem to bite hard or be too rough with his claws anyway

I love it when they play on the bed and actually run my fingers under the covers on purpose and cackle when they leap into the air to catch it. They seem to work it out themselves when is playtime and dont do it when the lights are out and when I am asleep. Hopefully wont regret that statement!!!!

I do use a water bottle - the breeder recommended it and it hasnt made any difference to them playing in water. Hardly ever use it but certainly did when Zack had a go at a few electric cords and it sure stopped him in his tracks.

[Helen & John]

We too use a water bottle for goldfish and cable protection! Hector seems to be squirted the most as if is the goldfish obsessed one. Roxy we think has now lost the taste for speaker wire well fingers crossed she has anyway! But Hector gets squirted a couple of times a day he gives himself away as he grunts at the poor fish and then stares at you when you pick the bottle up as if to say go on then I dare you.

[Antonia]

I agree with candes and Cooniemum. When our Monty was younger he could be a bit rough while playing. Once he mistook my leg for a nice tree to climb in, which resulted in something of a bloodbath (with me as the victim). I screamed OUCH! at the top of my voice, and with the startled looking little Monstrosity sitting next to me I kept whimpering theatrically for a few seconds more. Then I purposely ignored him for a minute or so. I could tell by his behaviour and body language that he'd somehow grasped he'd gone too far. He's never been this careless with me since.

As for the Bed Bugs... I really enjoy that game! Tatja and Monty are gradually losing interest, but Minnie still loves to play.

Also, no water spray is ever used here. A loud 'Hey!' when they do something naughty is sufficient. Or when they are on the kitchen worktop trying to steal food I just pick them up and gently put them down on the floor. After two or three times they get the message and stop trying.

[Menolly]

GabbyCat LOVED the duvet game and continued to play it until just before she died (she was 13 when she got kidney cancer and had to be put to sleep). Whisper is 13 now and still happily plays the game. Hobbes also enjoys it and as various cats do/have slept on the bed with us, I can vouch for the fact that they seem to learn the difference between "game time" and "sleep time" very early on,
As for the biting thing - Hobbes bit on us when he was smaller and when we wailed at him in "pain", he converted the bite into vigorous licking - he is now 14 months and simply licks (no bites). Alice never did bite or nibble. Paddy (will introduce him properly later) bites but a swift howl from us is, again, converting this into licks - and he is just over 5 months. He certainly chomped on my hand when we were introduced but it seems to be a "baby" thing and he is growing out of it.
As for the water spray thing..........Hobbes so loves water, he'd probably just try to drink the jet of the stuff coming in his direction.......seriously though, we'd read about it but have never used it.

[jckkerrison]

I have one that used to play bite but she has no sense of how much she hurt & nothing would stop her so she is the one that got banned to her room for time out & in the end took herself off if she knew she had overstepped the mark,she now sometimes just gently teethes you & looks at the same time to see if you are going to say anything,which of course we don't as she has now learnt not to draw blood,only one other does occasionally play bite but doesn't hurt.They all love playing tootsies so have to make sure that no more than two are on the bed at the same time,I find the bedding suffers more than anything when they pounce although if you are unlucky enough to be having a drink at the same time as 18kg plus descends then it can become difficult trying to keep fluid in mug !
As for water spray,yes,in the past I have used it reguarly,with six & one of them who does not know what the word "No" means I have found it a lot better detterant than the voice only command, especially if things are getting a bit out of hand they now respect it & I only have to lift it & you get the "oops better stop"look but also as others have found it hasn't put them off of the love of water,splashing & playing around in it is a lot different to a quick spurt from behind & a no...Did find with only two cats a no & take their minds off of it with something else worked well but as the family grew......Fishwife screaming comes to mind until the spray returned some sanity. Luv em all though & wouldn't be without em.life would be sooo boring !

[missdiane]

She does play bite, mainly me as I am the main play thing and I use my hands to instigate play as well, but her bites are very restrained like she knows it's my hand and not a mouse to kill, if she hurts I just either say ouch and ignore her or put my fingers further into her mouth which she doesn't like
No probs with either method
We did try a water gun but although she didnt like it - ran off and grumped, it has made no difference to her coming back to play or as a deterrent

The bed thing, Lily is quite evil to the duvet cover, she picks it up and shakes it hard to kill it, not something we try to encourage :(